Aftermath of the Cirnii-Xengari War Organization

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Aftermath of the Cirnii-Xengari War Organization

Post by Joe Joerson on Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:37 pm

Title says it and you know who you are.

So first some questions.

How involved are the Septhi initially with the Khendros actions? Are they aware of them? Kept in the Dark? Actively helping? Passively helping?

How exactly do the Khendros go about seizing the territory that they do? If the Septhi are involved, how do they go about it? Do the Khendros start when they know the Cirnii are weak? Or when they know the Cirnii are defeated? Do they explicitly seize the territory or intend to occupy it?

I'll give some information on the Xengari actions, please ask questions if you do not know and feel the need to know.

The Xengari of course start explicitly occupying territory after the Cirnii are defeated but they have a path of occupations back towards Xengari space. They come with several transports carrying mostly Xengari robots and drones but also some Cirnii personnel to add legitimacy to their claims. In addition to a few Corvettes and patrol boats depending on what targets they face. A military station warrants more than mining outpost. In addition to occupation they need to enforce the treaty so a disarmament of Military stations cause some tensions usually but they bring along sufficient naval power to eliminate such a station.

We need to get on the same page and then decide where and when the sides meet.
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Re: Aftermath of the Cirnii-Xengari War Organization

Post by Caspoi on Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:10 pm

The Khendros have been pretty quiet on the whole affair towards the Septhi, they have told them a bit about the Xengari and their agressive behavior but not their own involvment in it. If there are going to be peace talks between the Khendros and the Xengari then they would tell the Septhi about it (although they would probably present themselves as mediators in the dispute between Xengari and the Cirnii rather than as another set of conquerors) so that they are prepared in the event of war but they would not invite them, partially because they do not want the Septhi to stake their own claim on the Cirnii lands but also because they want to have them as a trumph card against the Xngari in case of war (this would be the explicitly stated reason).

In regards to when they entered Cirnii space they did so when the AI ship started to bombard their homeworld, at which point they determined that the Cirnii government had collapsed and was unable to defend it's own people, meaning that they required some... other form of protection. The occupoed territories have since then been reorginized into the Cirnii Free State, part of the Khendros military cooperation effort and with the stated goal to return it's lost territories to it, old government officials from the Cirnii Imperium, those that the Khendros could muster at any rate, have been put in charge of this new government to give it a semblance of legitimacy and when those are lacking new Folc leaders sympathetic towards the Khendros have been appointed. Other than that the Khendros has had a bit of a hands of aproach towards this new state, their ships patrol the edges of their space to ward of any Xengari encoachments and Cirnii soldiers are recruited into the united military but other than that they have as of yet not given any signs that their relationship is that of master and puppet, rather than between two allies.

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Re: Aftermath of the Cirnii-Xengari War Organization

Post by Mthis on Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:12 pm

More than likely indeed the Septhi would be present as mediators. The Septhi themselves would not be prepared for such a conflict they know so little about, nor have interest in space so far from theirs more than likely.

If anything trade with the Khendros would have been passively helping the Khendros military efforts in terms of resources as the Septhi have alot of resources to draw upon thanks to their isolated empire. Any Septhi military forces would have been for mercentile protection and more than likely not involved in the conflict.
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Re: Aftermath of the Cirnii-Xengari War Organization

Post by Joe Joerson on Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:39 pm

@Caspoi wrote:The Khendros have been pretty quiet on the whole affair towards the Septhi, they have told them a bit about the Xengari and their agressive behavior but not their own involvment in it. If there are going to be peace talks between the Khendros and the Xengari then they would tell the Septhi about it (although they would probably present themselves as mediators in the dispute between Xengari and the Cirnii rather than as another set of conquerors) so that they are prepared in the event of war but they would not invite them, partially because they do not want the Septhi to stake their own claim on the Cirnii lands but also because they want to have them as a trumph card against the Xngari in case of war (this would be the explicitly stated reason).

In regards to when they entered Cirnii space they did so when the AI ship started to bombard their homeworld, at which point they determined that the Cirnii government had collapsed and was unable to defend it's own people, meaning that they required some... other form of protection. The occupoed territories have since then been reorginized into the Cirnii Free State, part of the Khendros military cooperation effort and with the stated goal to return it's lost territories to it, old government officials from the Cirnii Imperium, those that the Khendros could muster at any rate, have been put in charge of this new government to give it a semblance of legitimacy and when those are lacking new Folc leaders sympathetic towards the Khendros have been appointed. Other than that the Khendros has had a bit of a hands of aproach towards this new state, their ships patrol the edges of their space to ward of any Xengari encoachments and Cirnii soldiers are recruited into the united military but other than that they have as of yet not given any signs that their relationship is that of master and puppet, rather than between two allies.

@Mthis wrote:More than likely indeed the Septhi would be present as mediators. The Septhi themselves would not be prepared for such a conflict they know so little about, nor have interest in space so far from theirs more than likely.

If anything trade with the Khendros would have been passively helping the Khendros military efforts in terms of resources as the Septhi have alot of resources to draw upon thanks to their isolated empire. Any Septhi military forces would have been for mercentile protection and more than likely not involved in the conflict.

Alright so, at the start any actual conflict is going to involve the Xengari, Khendros and any Cirnii caught in between with the Septhi possibly coming in as mediators later on as the situation progresses.

And so shoul we start with the Khendros and Xengari initial meeting and go on from there?
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Re: Aftermath of the Cirnii-Xengari War Organization

Post by Caspoi on Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:59 pm

Just as a quick note when I said mediators I was referring to the Khendros, the Septhi may involve themselves but it would be aginst the expressed wish of the Khendros who want to keep them secret.

And yes we probably should, I would say that the meeting should be located in the Imperial Palace as it is the Cirnii that the treaty will concern most of all.

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Re: Aftermath of the Cirnii-Xengari War Organization

Post by Joe Joerson on Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:10 pm

@Caspoi wrote:Just as a quick note when I said mediators I was referring to the Khendros, the Septhi may involve themselves but it would be aginst the expressed wish of the Khendros who want to keep them secret.

And yes we probably should, I would say that the meeting should be located in the Imperial Palace as it is the Cirnii that the treaty will concern most of all.

Yes I know, when I spoke I was referring to:

@Mthis wrote:More than likely indeed the Septhi would be present as mediators.

But its all good I think we understand that the Khendros are going to present their version of the truth to the Septhi if they tell them at all. Very Happy

So how is that going to be facilitated? Are the Khendros going to just go straight to the Cirnii homesystem and demand a meeting with the Xengari or what?

I ask because the Xengari are very unlikely to allow alien powers into territory protected by them especially a vassal they hope to control.
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Re: Aftermath of the Cirnii-Xengari War Organization

Post by Caspoi on Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:44 pm

Well, sooner or later they have to establish some form of contact, I would imagine, unless they plan to spend the entire time not aknowledging each other's existance. What the Khendros would however is to first (or second after establishing how the Xengari language functions) send out a request for a meeting with the Xengari regarding the massive border dispute that just showed up and suggest the capital of the old Cirnii Imperium as a meeting ground.

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Re: Aftermath of the Cirnii-Xengari War Organization

Post by Joe Joerson on Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:18 pm

@Caspoi wrote:Well, sooner or later they have to establish some form of contact, I would imagine, unless they plan to spend the entire time not aknowledging each other's existance. What the Khendros would however is to first (or second after establishing how the Xengari language functions) send out a request for a meeting with the Xengari regarding the massive border dispute that just showed up and suggest the capital of the old Cirnii Imperium as a meeting ground.

Contact of course. Yes okay, so the Xengari have not actually given their language away for translation purposes, they have always translated or attempted to the aliens' languages. Which shows the level of basic distrust they have as they attempt to make it so that aliens cannot on their own translate their language and thus have an advantage over "xenos". So likely given mutual contact with the Cirnii, given the Khendros have at least translated the Cirnii language from stations and Folc they have captured if not from their initial confrontation, the best course of actions considering the fact of the Xengari secrecy at thus difficultly, but not impossibility, of translating either High or Low Kolesh, the Cirnii language would be best to transmit such a message.

Secondly border dispute and location if the Capital is suggested the Xengari are almost certainly going to change it to another system much closer to the dispute. Partly because of lack of trust of allowing the Khendros to pass through Xengari occupied space, not knowing of course that like the Cirnii Wormholes the Khendros Wormholes will simply bypass that. And partly because they do not want contact between the Cirnii and the Khendros, or any alien power for that matter, and so are likely to in turn suggest a system closer to the border with, preferably, no inhabited, or no period, settlements in them.
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Re: Aftermath of the Cirnii-Xengari War Organization

Post by Caspoi on Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:46 pm

The Khendros would accept such a proposal, although in this case they would want it to be relatively uninhabited so as to neither provide the Xengari any knowledge of the structure of the Khendros nor send their diplomats in what is percieved as Xengari grounds.

In regards to language the idea was that the Khendros would try to pierce together as much as they can of the Xengari language from records of them interacting with the Cirnii but using Kolesh as a form of Lingua Franca sounds like an even better idea.

EDIT: By the way it will be hilarious when they finally meet one another considering how small the Axtromd are and how large the Xengari are.

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Re: Aftermath of the Cirnii-Xengari War Organization

Post by Joe Joerson on Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:02 pm

@Caspoi wrote:The Khendros would accept such a proposal, although in this case they would want it to be relatively uninhabited so as to neither provide the Xengari any knowledge of the structure of the Khendros nor send their diplomats in what is percieved as Xengari grounds.

In regards to language the idea was that the Khendros would try to pierce together as much as they can of the Xengari language from records of them interacting with the Cirnii but using Kolesh as a form of Lingua Franca sounds like an even better idea.

EDIT: By the way it will be hilarious when they finally meet one another considering how small the Axtromd are and how large the Xengari are.

Great so uninhabited system ahoy!

Language *cough* High and Low Kolesh are the Xengari languages *cough* ...Well I guess my allergies have snuck onto my reply. Razz  But the Cirnii language isn't named and I assume that is what you meant? Smile

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Re: Aftermath of the Cirnii-Xengari War Organization

Post by Caspoi on Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:50 am

Yes I meant Cirnii language, I thaught that was what you were referring to and did not bother to go and have it checked, a silly mistake. And you really should go and see a doctor, that allergy of yours does not seem healthy and there are medicines for that.

Poor Axtromd.

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Post by Joe Joerson on Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:20 pm

@Caspoi wrote:Yes I meant Cirnii language, I thaught that was what you were referring to and did not bother to go and have it checked, a silly mistake. And you really should go and see a doctor, that allergy of yours does not seem healthy and there are medicines for that.

Poor Axtromd.

Great so do you want to set up the thread as the Khendros seem to initial the discussion with their signal?

Also I have the medicine I just need to take ma pills. Razz

Don't forget the Axtromd also are going to have to deal with Xengari Robots. Including the Spider like bots, just slightly bigger than themselves and the Bipedal bots only about two meters tall. Smile I think the Khendros will have a fun time.
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Post by Caspoi on Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:17 pm

The Khendros also have robots but their mostly scouting drones, I don't understand the Xengari obseesion with size.

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Post by Joe Joerson on Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:34 pm

@Caspoi wrote:The Khendros also have robots but their mostly scouting drones, I don't understand the Xengari obseesion with size.

Is joke or actual question? Question
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Post by Caspoi on Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:36 pm

Joke, my point was that compared to the Axtromd almost everything that the Xengari make is big, which of course makes sense as they themselves are and it would of course be scaled compared to them.

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Post by Joe Joerson on Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:37 pm

@Caspoi wrote:Joke, my point was that compared to the Axtromd almost everything that the Xengari make is big, which of course makes sense as they themselves are and it would of course be scaled compared to them.

OK, sorry it is just hard to tell with no ability to tell tone from text. Smile
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